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>>132422 (OP)Is that Sam Hyde on the left😭😭😭🙏🙏🙏
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why is atatΓΌrk edited? he's already aryan
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>>132422 (OP)i feel bad for not being fluent in spanish after 5 months and 10 days
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I've missed this place.
>>135468Don't worry about it. It takes years to get fluent even with an effective method.
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Terrible
I want my comfy /lang/ back
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>>135418STOP IGNORING MY QUESTIONS
YOU ALWAYS DO THIS, EVEN HERE
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Test
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>>135418>Should I learn American or British English?Are you actually retarded? Just learn regular English. If you're interested in specifically British or North American expressions or words, allocate some time out of your learning sessions to that.
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>>135719It doesn't work like that, moor. You have to pronounce words somehow and there are these two standards.
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>>135735You should learn Aussie English
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>>135769Why? Either wya, their English is actually just British and they consider the London British one to be superior to theirs so we go back to the 2-way-model again. Same for Canadian and Unitedstatian.
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>>135775Learn Canadian English Ruskyanon, It is a combination of the two, The closest thing to "Global" English
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>>135844I've actually thought about that. Are there any cons?
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>>135854There aren't any downsides as far as i experienced, other than comments like "You sound Canadian lol"
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>>135861Can people tell it from Western American though? Do you pronounce words like LOT with an aw (Spanish O) or with an ah?
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>>135875I couldn't tell you because i don't actually think of my pronunciation at the time of speaking in English, it comes naturally, but some people can notice that you sound Canadian because of the way you call certain items or the intonation
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>>135882Oh I see. Just this feature seems to vary a lot in Canada. Some people say them with ah, some with aw.
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And so some say AW everywhere (this is more distinctively Canadian for what I know), some say AH everywhere and some say AH unless it's before an L (like in ALL, BALL etc.) with the latter there being more common and both of them shared between Canada (seemingly Eastern) and Western United States.
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>>135943There's also that thing that those who have AW in COT may (or may not) also have AH in CAT. Those who have AH in COT obviously don't ever have that.
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Δu iu Δi tie parolas esperanton?
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>>135418British for written English, American for spoken English
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>>135982So I suppose the safest bet is full Oxford spelling (British, but with -ize in words like colonize, yet with -lyse in words like analyse, even if Canadians write it as -lyze) plus the Western American pronunciation with the full cot-caught merger to ah. Legit? Am I wrong?
I'm not sure about the latter though, because that Canadian shift thing is actually cool but it seems to be non-standard and more distinctively Canadian. I also don't like the Canadian raising.
>>136023Sounds legit but why so?
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>>135875the generic canadian accent is almost practically the same as the west coast american, there are some unique regional accents though like in newfoundland
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>>136045What about the latter part of the question? Is it usually AH or AW (that is, like in MORE but without the R) in those words? Does Trudeau sound West Coast Unitedstatian?
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>>135882Anon, if you're still here, do you sound the same as Trudeau or differently, in any way?
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>>136078Kek, you made me realize that i don't even know how Trudeau sounds like, but i would say that my accent is akin to guy from LangFocus
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>>136085For what I know, he doesn't sound like Trudeau at all. I thought he's Unitedstatian honestly
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finally I can post without vpn here
I started doing anki for the first time in my life to prepare for HSK 6, which I plan to do in 1-2 months
I'm definitely far over HSK5 now (and could do the exam with 100% accuracy when I tried) but not at hsk6 yet
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>>135844spelling wise it's close to British English but the pronunciation is way more similar to AmE (think about it - most of the immigrants there only left 100 years later than the Americans, and they have had far more influence from the USA. It's difficult to confuse a Canadian accent with British but it's easy to mix up American and CanadianοΌ
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>>136325Yes, it's basically Oxford spelling plus Western American pronunciation.
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>>136044You help me to decide at last and I stop spamming.
There's the full-Canadian pronunciation, like those of Trudeau and IIRC that nigger Keith Wood, with COT as AW but CAT as AH and there's a more generic American one with normal CAT and COT (and CAUGHT and BALL) as AH.
Which one should I choose?
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>>136518I don't have a coin and I *need* some actual reasonable arguments, you know.
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>>136523idk, im learning Spanish and I just learn the pronunciation which leads to less homophones. For instance the "lleisimo" and I also pronounce the "h" like in some dominican accents. i dont know why anyone would purposefully simplify their phoneme inventory of their TL when the option to pronounce it exists
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>>136537>the pronunciation which leads to less homophonesYou know that this is the Castilian one? The one from Spain?
>why anyone would purposefully simplify their phoneme inventory of their TL when the option to pronounce it existsBecause the lists of those homophones are usually very short and if you use an unused distinction (e.g. mix up different standards), nobody will understand you any way.
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>>136551>You know that this is the Castilian one? The one from Spain?well i dont completely understand what you're asking but I don't care for a particular accent as long as some native dialect/accent uses that phoneme distinction, i will mix it up
>nobody will understand youi doubt thats true
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>>136570>i doubt thats truePhonemes being merged includes into itself them being perceived the same by the speakers. Idk whether it's a bait but it at best sounds weird and at most incomprehensible (because the word becomes unrecognizable because it uses non-existent phonemes the speakers aren't familiar with).
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Though if we settled for Oxford spelling at last and for all, we're only a step before adopting Received Pronunciation as the accent. Why not do that?
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>>135680I see 3:1 supported American English though. I wonder why.
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I need to cum
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i decided to learn german because i feel like one of my TLs should be aryan
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>>132607No, that's Mikhail Bakunin.
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>>144179Germanic languages are actually the least Aryan ones. It goes like Sanskrit > Slavic languages > Latin > gap > Romance languages > pajeet languages > Germanic languages.
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>>136822Because Iβm not a bong and Received Pronunciation sounds affected
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>>144450>not a bongDo you consider it a good or a bad thing, linguistically speaking?
>sounds affectedIn what sense exactly?
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>>144283ivan, what the hell are you talking about
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>>144283>>144283En mon avis, jβadore les langue romantiques. Je juste pense quβils sont chouettes
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>>144539Yeah they're cool and easy but completely useless. I'd argue that English is a Romance language so it mogs the rest entirely though.
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I HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER I SHOULD LEARN BRITISH OR CANADIAN PRONUNCIATION NOW
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>>132422 (OP)Is comprehensible input really the best language learning method? If not, then what is? I'm looking to learn Russian, any advice? (I already know Cyrillic)
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>>147729The best method is probably Anki + comprehensible input i.e. reading and listening to TL content that you can understand, or make understandable through lookups & translation tools, and gradually increasing the difficulty until you can understand native content effortlessly. The core of this method is focusing on good comprehension first, before you start writing or speaking.
>RussianMemorize the most common words through Anki. Either find a premade deck with the most common words, or make your own cards by mining from the Routledge Frequency Dictionary:
https://annas-archive.org/md5/4adf7fa668401896de1885b845754582At the same time, start reading and listening to whatever content you can understand or make understandable with lookups/translation:
https://annas-archive.org/search?index=&page=1&q=assimil+russian&display=&sort=https://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Russianhttps://annas-archive.org/search?q=russian+olly+richardsAssimil is a good place to start, each lesson is just a Russian and English text side by side, gradually introducing you to new vocab and constructions. Once you have some words under your belt, you can watch CI videos on youtube and read easy graded readers from Olly Richards. Eventually you will be able to graduate to watching movies and tv shows. There are tools like Language Reactor that you can use to watch with dual-subs and do quick lookups to fill in the gaps.
If you want to learn more about the method itself, here's a general guide. Don't treat it as a bible, just try to understand the core ideas and develop your own routine.
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do you like this nigga?
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>>141083Mir auch gefΓ€llt nicht diese Seite. Aber ich habe es wohl satt das Fehlen Aktualisierungen/Verwaltung von Vierkanal zu erleben. Und ich bin ganz ΓΌberraschend dass es so lange dauert, dass es gehackt wurde.
Ich wΓΌnsche jemand eine bessere Seite mit der FunktionalitΓ€t von ptchan machte. Ich machte es selbst, aber ich habe leider nicht die Zeit.
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>>148428Do you stop using Anki after learning enough words to watch CI content?
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>>149517No, you should be using it in combination with CI for as long as you feel like you're getting something out of it. Here's a great video by Matt on why Anki helps speed up the acquisition process (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrBFhsnBQ2k)
At some point though, you feel comfortable enough with native content that you only need to do the occasional lookup and doing flashcards no longer feels worth it. Depending on the language, that might be after just a couple thousands words with languages like Spanish that has a lot of English cognates, or it might be after 5k or even 10k+ words if the language is quite distant from English.
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>>148259Maybe but answer
>>136502 as a Canadian.
>>135680Wtf now the results in the poll are equal.
WHAT DO I DO?????
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Wait. Did you know that modern high-class Hiberno-English is almost identical to Canadian English, besides some minor features? Both use Oxford spelling, and both sound vaguely advanced Western American with backed CAT and rounded LOT. Seems I found the way.
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>>153926Yeah, exactly. If you told me he's actually American, I'd totally believe.
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Oh, this sucks. I wish this general would've continued somewhere else. Hate this place.
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How do you get better at speaking? I swear Iβm almost fluent with reading and writing but whenever I try and speak I become retarded
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>>158283Lots of listening.
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>>135844It isn't really, Canadian English is similar to Scandinavian because it's based on a Midwest US accent and some French. There's nothing really British about it apart from maybe some words they use. The accents they use in Fargo who are all Swedish is basically Canadian. In short it's a variant of US English.
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>>135775Australian English is based off the rural Southeast England accent which is why it sounds similar to the stereotypical working class London accent because that's where most of them originally came from. In Australia it is the standard though, they tend to look down on any other variant of British English because they've already picked one for everyone to use.
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>>159445>isn't reallyHe meant that they use pretty much full British spelling despite their American pronunciation.
>they use in FargoInteresting. This one and the accent of a lot of Canadians I've talked to has AH as the cot-caught vowel while Wiki extensively claims AW is universal for them.
>>159548>they tend to look down on any other variant of British English Really? Even on the SSBE? Weird. So the modern "RP" isn't even the upper class standard throughout the Commonwealth anymore?
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>>159766>Really? Even on the SSBE? Weird. So the modern "RP" isn't even the upper class standard throughout the Commonwealth anymore?RP speakers don't tend to go to Australia funnily enough so there aren't enough anecdotes to go on. There isn't really anything there for them when you think about it.
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tfw no state/region flag
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>>159834How is the American accent actually perceived in Britain btw? The varians of standard Irish seem to broadly correspond to the American variations, and I've read in some woke studies that all standard varieties of English including American are perceived well.
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I actually was thinking yesterday that I genuinely like the sound of the "East Coast" (cot-caught unmerged) American pronunciation and that I'm really used to the American spelling and that there's pretty much zero actual reasons to apt for anything else.
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>>159954Since Canadian and American are almost the same, they're perceived well, most foreigners learn American English too so they speak that when they come here. You should probably learn American.
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>>159974I see. Sad to see England fell that low, even in linguistics.
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So now I guess I can finally go back to learning German, but I really just don't like the language itself, so I genuinely think about postponing it by starting learning French.
I deem it will be very easy and entertaining unlike with German, though totally useless and even, well, rather harmful.
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>>158680Listening to what
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>>157428What's another popular altchan? 8chan? A lot of people moved to kiwifarms but it's not anonymous
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>>160124Your target language, dummy.
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>>160193How does that help me speak though
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If you guys hate this place, we could move to
https://8chan.moe/lang/ and revitalize it.
>>160206Think of it like trying to sing a song you've never heard based solely on abstract descriptions and rules about how it's supposed to sound, vs. singing a song that you've had on repeat for the last month. Language is just a more complex song. Once you've gotten enough listening, sentences just come to you without having to think about the grammar and when other people "sing the song" wrong, you'll be able to notice.
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>>160217Thatβs actually really smart how you said that. Makes sense thanks
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The 4chan hacker was apparently from Jordan according to rumors
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>>168095I stopped learning my TL long ago and now I just doomscrool in English and Russian.
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>>168095I should reach 1000 hours of CI next week
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>>168095In German? How could you run out? Do you only watch shows that are currently airing?
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>>170026Nice. What are you using to track it? Any cool graphs?
>>171447I've seen everything good, even before I started German I was really into tv shows. There's still good stuff airing constantly, but there's days or weeks when my backlog is empty. 2 more days until season 5 of "You" drops, so at least there's that.
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>>171627I'm tracking it on the Dreaming Spanish website. No cool graphs but I heard there's a browser extension for that but I don't really care.
Most of my input is from dubbed shows and some advanced learner podcasts.
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>>171627Do you ever rewatch shows in German that you already watched before?
Is part the problem finding/accessing content, or is it just that you've already watched everything?
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>>172175Yeah, I re-watch old shows when I remember they exist, as long as it's been long enough that I've forgotten most of the details, otherwise it's kind of boring.
No, finding the content is pretty easy. Everything is available on s.to and bs.to, but I've watched literally everything.
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I'm surprised that the italian chud has not found his way here yet
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>>172265Do you ever watch documentaries?
>>173191Bon debarras
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>>173256Not really, I occasionally watch some videos from the Terra X History channel on YouTube.
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Anki is heating up
35 reviews today
I'm on 20 new cards a day, is that excessive?
I just don't want to be spending an hour on anki daily, maximum 20 minutes for me
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>>173395In my case, I'm rewatching some anime that I originally watched dubbed in English 10+ years ago, dubbed in French.
It's hard to imagine running out of content at this point, because even in English there's a ton of shows I wanted to watch that I never had time to. And many others I wanted to rewatch that I haven't seen since I was in high school.
But if I came close to running out, I would probably start watching a lot of documentaries and listening to audiobooks.
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>>174915It seems like there's endless content, but eventually you run out, at least the good stuff. I binged 4 seasons of "You" in about a month and it was only ~40 hours total of immersion. It's like a drop in the ocean of how much you really need. TV shows are perfect for me because it's so easy to do 2-3 hours a day, but I can't concentrate for that long on an audiobook or documentary. Here's an Obsidian graph of every show I watched in the last ~2.5 years since I started tracking (~115 shows and ~15 anime). Before that I wasted probably thousands of hours watching stuff in English.
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These language learning podcasts can be wild lmao. The hosts somehow went from talking about some legend/folklore to asking one another and the listeners if they would fuck a passing tranny in the same episode.
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>>176988what kind of podcast is that 💀💀💀
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>>177247Latest episode of the Cheleando con Mextalki (Mexican Spanish)
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Χ©ΧΧΧ ΧΧΧ¨ΧΧ
I am learning modern hebrew. Does anyone have any tips or useful resources?
Thanks in advance
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Move /lang/ to minilauta /int/
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Has anyone used mylanguageexchange to meet up?
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it's time for (you) to learn icelandic
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>>181226If you want people to learn your small obscure language, the least you can do is make a starter pack with some essentials, like a good Anki deck, grammar, some beginner content and some piracy links for native content.
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>>181404donate to my patreon
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>>135418Depends where you want to go. I would say American because it's a lot easier to have a "neutral" American accent. Accents in the UK are very regional so you will stand out as an ESL
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>>181226Forgive me, senpai. I must learn French and German first.
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>>181848Why would you learn French?
>>181437I'll use English only for tourism and all sorts of international communication I suppose. There's some extremely minor possibility I'll go to Britain relatively soon and a bigger possibility I'll go to America much later in life, but those both are minute possibilities.
I honestly don't even know whether I actually need to keep using English as my primary media language. It looks like a playground language truly, you learn it the first, it lets you to explore all those international thingies in general sense, and then you realize it's extremely overrated and the only use for it is to talk to literal niggers.
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>>181866The same reasons I want to learn German
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>>181893No way. They're nothing alike, neither practically nor linguistically.
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>>181848>German I always wanted to learn German until highschool where we had German classes and I decided it was not for me. It's a cool language but I don't enjoy learning it, I would like if in future I somehow could install it to my brain without effort.
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>>181930Same feelings, but I *have* to learn it.
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>>181912Dang, that's crazy
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>>181962Excuse me, are you a literal GAYNIGGER?
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Is there a website where I can watch movies and shows dubbed in french, but with available subtitles?
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I want to know my TL but don't really care about speaking it to anyone. I just think it would be cool to know a new language. Is anyone else like this?
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>>184764Mate, I doubt anyone will reply to me in the languages I want to learn.
But the idea of translating stuff to them seems cool as an exercise lol.
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>>184549Dubs with matching subs is just not a thing in any language. Best you can hope for is generating them yourself with Whisper AI or similar AI transcription models until you get passable results. If you're willing to pay money though, Lingopie is a streaming service specifically designed for language learners so all the subs should match, but it's pricey and not every piece of content is available due to licensing agreements and such.
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>>184764Same. Already know 2 languages but learning another one even though i hate talking to people and will probably never even use it.
Basically for me i'm not really learning it to be able to communicate with others, i just like the process of learning a language itself.
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>>184764I want to speak my TLs well some day, but in the short term I don't care and I figure the more I comprehend them now, the easier it will be in the future if/when I decide to practice output.
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Reminder that jordie deserves to be raped by niggers. I don't even know if he is here rn in this raisinhole but it must be said, for posterity.
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>>184993If /lang/ had a language, "jordie" would be the word for God
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I like Jordie. He's a funny guy.
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>>184794I know they are different, but the meaning is the same or very similar, I just want the subs to catch something I couldn't hear or understand. Apparently every website with dubbed content has no subtitles.
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>>185708Ask ChatGPT. It should be pretty good at that type of stuff.
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I'm reading about French in German right now…
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Forgot to check whether lang was on here or not.
>>185708Hi anon.
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>>188376wow, it is you…..
also what does "acabado el mundo" mean?
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That's a clausula absoluta de participio, which means it takes place before whatever is the second clause ("debes contemplar" in this case). I'd translate it as: Once the world is over, you shall ponder.
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>>188777gracias, I was a bit confused about this
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>saunice
Was ist los mit der deutschen Jugend? Letzen hab ich dieses hΓ€ssliche zusammengesetzte Wort mehrere Male gehΓΆrt.
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>>186388Zum ersten Mal im Leben habe ich vor zwei Tagen Chat GPT genutzt und genau fΓΌr diesen von dir angesprochenen Zwecken, namentlich ein GesprΓ€chspartner zu haben. Hab dabei eine meistens gute Erfahrung gehabt. Es hat ein paar Fehler gemacht, aber sie waren eigentlich zum groΓen Teil nicht von einer grammatischen Natur, sondern einer logischen. Zum Beispiel habe ich den Bot darum gebeten, mich auf meine Fehler hinzudeuten, und der Bot hat mich stattdessen auf ein paar von dem Bot gemachten Fehler aufmerksam gemacht. Alles in Allem hat die Technologie mich beeindruckt und ich werde wahrscheinlich irgendwann in der Zukunft nochmals davon Gebrauch machen. Ich hege immer noch eine gewisse Grundabneigung gegen KI und sehe generell auf die Verzweigungen davon schwarz, aber vielleicht wird die Technologie zumindest mir nΓΌtzen, Deutsch zu lernen.
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>>132422 (OP)>Want to watch anime in Spanish dub>Worried about missing details/constantly pausing if itβs a new series or worried about rewatching a series I already sawHow do I handle this?
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>>196385>Want to watch animeKys tranny.