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Alright, after that lousy Wrestlemania main event I figure we need a men's puroresu general.

Puroresu is Japanese wrestling. Wrestling has been around for a long time in Japan. The major men's promotions today are New Japan and NOAH.

New Japan can be watched at https://www.njpwworld.com
NOAH can be watched at https://www.wrestle-universe.com
There's also All Japan, which is much smaller (but has a prestigious history) and doesn't feature English commentary but also has a following: https://www.ajpw.tv

Here are some starter matches for anyone looking to get into modern puroresu, I'll post more later:

Kenoh vs Katsuhiko Nakajima (Pro-Wrestling NOAH):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXvzh9y3oz8

Tetsuya Naito vs Kenny Omega (NJPW):
https://www.tokyvideo.com/video/g1-climax-27-night-19-tetsuya-naito-vs-kenny-omega

Hiroshi Tanahashi vs Kota Ibushi (NJPW)
https://vk.com/video-54361599_456280857

Kento Miyahara vs Katsuhiko Nakajima (AJPW)
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8wjomq

Kazuchika Okada vs Kenny Omega (NJPW)
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x59kcwf
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>>1274
Fun fact: Hayabusa is known as being a deathmatch wrestler, but he only ever had three deathmatches in his entire career, and almost all of his scars came from just this one match. Also this was the last match before Onita's second retirement when he left to go serve in the Japanese Diet as a politician.

If you are interested in the history of FMW you should checkout Bahu's youtube channel. He has a video series that covers FMW year by year until it finally shuttered it's doors, and then follows up on the careers of the Japanese workers post FMW. Bahu is pretty much THE source for the history of FMW in English and is responsible for translating almost all the articles, biographies, and interviews with the Japanese speaking only people that performed in FMW. He also managed to be the last person to interview W*NG Kanemaru before he died.

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There's some based info and matches in this thread… shame men's puroresu is practically dead.

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Kenta Kobashi vs Mitsuharu Misawa '97
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlfV1bGq_ns

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I think it's about time to get that NJPW subscription, tired of watching puroresu on raisinty bootleg streaming sites lol

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>>1280
that sounds worth checking out, I have only watched FMW in japanese and I honestly feel like I'm missing out on a lot of the storytelling aspects.

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>>1283
Yeah, NJPW World isn't a bad setup at all. Takes a second to get used to but, really, it's good to support them financially if only out of hopes that they can outshine AEW someday.

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>>1283
Having access to subtitled promos and backstage interviews is nice too (although those are free anyway).

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>>1286
there's also the fact that NJPW shows usually start at like 2-3AM in my timezone and I can't realistically stay up all night watching wrestling when i have to work in the morning. Once I get subbed I can just watch the shows whenever I get home.

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>>1287
Yeah, I've never watched a New Japan show live, usually just watch the day after.
Only tricky part is avoiding spoilers if you're active on platforms that follow it.

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Kenta Kobashi vs. Kensuke Sasaki
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET9V5fCdRYM

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>>1269
>>1282
Who's Misawa? Does he wrestle on Raw or Smackdown?

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>>4556
He wrestles for AEW

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>>4558
He dishonors the name of Misawa
The Miz will avenge his MIZAWA BROTHER

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>>1211
e-pigs don't usually make a lot of sense. None of them watch japanese wrestling but they would love it if WWE bought NJPW or NOAH. Literal corporate slaves.

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>>1199 (OP)
I'm curious, does AJPW any sort of english-language options at all? I know there's no english commentary but are there maybe subtitles or something?

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>>1280
>Onita got elected in Japan
Why weren't we based enough to put the Funkster in office?

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>>5135
No, not that I'm aware of.
They really don't have the budget for it, sadly. Which is too bad because it's a fun little company and the wrestlers have a lot of personality (not that I can understand what they're saying…)

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>>5359
I understand a little japanese but probably not enough to fully follow the shows yeah. Still might check it out for the matches though. I suppose one could use puroresu as a learning aid for Japanese. I wouldn't mind to get a little better with it.

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>>5344
Onita not only got elected to the Diet, but he was fired for having multiple threesomes with his secretary and various porn actresses all over the Diet building. Believe it or not, but this goofy looking fucker was known as a sex symbol in Japan and even had a radio show where he would take write in questions from incels and tell them how to get laid.

Onita's life was/is absolutely wild and the guy is a king carny that even managed to carny Vince McMahon and the entire Japanese media with a single photograph. Blows my mind how badly the DSotR guys fucked up the FMW episode because they didn't bother to do any research themselves and just took king carny Onita's words as fact when he was working them.

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>>5432
Damn…I always liked Onita but I didn't know he was that much of a chad.

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>>5432
>trolled vince and japanese media with a photo

Qrd on this? Is it the pic in your post?

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>>5443
No, this is the pic. Basically in the 90s Vince was still willing to work with Japanese promotions but was slowly backing off as Inoki had begun working closely with WCW and Baba was becoming even more conservative and insular with his "Walled Garden" approach to booking. So pretty much all Vince had to work with was Tenryu's Wrestling and Romance promotion and Sasuke's Michinoku Pro. WaR wasn't a touring promotion in the sense we know and was more of a big event promotion where Tenryu would hire a bunch of freelancers and borrow talent from other promotions. Michinoku pro was basically the Sasuke Show, and so all Vince could do was borrow Sasuke's top student Taka Michinoku and his drinking buddies to form Kaientai. FMW was the rising star in its in the mid 90s and won a ton of read awards in Gong and ShuPro, but other than that was pretty small scale outside of the annual Kawasaki stadium shows. Sure they sold out all their house shows, but those shows were usually pretty small by the standards of Japanese white hot 90s wrestling scene.

Somehow Onita managed to get ahold of Stamford through his old AJPW contacts and arranged a meeting with Vince. Onita shows up to the meeting, has his picture taken with Vince, and then thanks them for the meeting, bows, and returns home to Japan without explaining anything. As soon as he is back in Japan Onita sends out press releases to every major publication in Japan announcing that FMW is now in a working relationship with WWF, and that FMW will be featuring a bunch of hot young talent from the US that will make FMW more exciting than anything AJPW and NJPW were doing at the time. The Japanese wrestling world went into a tizzy as it seemed both Inoki and Baba had fumbled with one of America's two biggest promotions, and that the wild card Onita had managed to outplay them.

It was complete bullraisin, but lead to a year of packed houses in bigger venues as everyone kept showing up thinking that each event was finally going to be the one where Onita had all of WWF's stars showing up.

Those hot young stars that Onita promised? They were all ECW guys who had previously worked in the FMW during the early days like Sabu and Mike Awesome.

To this day I don't think Vince knows who Onita is, or why the meeting was arranged in the first place. JR doesn't even remember the event in question when asked but he was the guy that ended up putting the whole meeting together according to Onita. This is why Onita will always be King Carny in my mind. He worked Vince so hard, made a raisin ton of money off of it, and Vince never even knew. Real nigga raisin, you wouldn't ken it.

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>>5449
Holy raisin that's next level carny working and based. What's the walled garden approach?

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>>5454
Baba's booking philosophy in his later years was based around the idea of a walled garden. A place where beautiful moments could happen that was protected from what happened outside by a tall wall. It meant basically that he wanted to stop booking outside talent because if he let them go over one of his guys and then they acted like a jobber outside of AJPW then it would reflect poorly on how the wrestlers in AJPW stacked up against the outside world. It was his response to Inoki booking people who had been booked strong in AJPW as jobbers in NJPW and then having ShuPro write hit pieces on them that would indirectly throw shade on the workers in AJPW.

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>>5457
that approach is okay. not a fan of seeing noah wrestlers jobbing to a njpw wrestler in all together shows which i am also not a fan of

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>>5546
My brother in retardation you don't know what it feels like to be a hardcore purotist, see NJPW raisin the bed after a brief resurgence, and then see them bury every other Japanese promotion and ensure the Japanese wrestling scene couldn't recover because they couldn't recover.

NJPW had a long, hard, slow decline that Tanahashi single handedly overcame, only for them to stall out during corona. Instead of fixing their own raisin and becoming great again they went out of their way to bury every other promotion that wasn't fucking up like they were.

raisin fucking sucks.

Back on topic, the King's Road style of AJPW in the 90s was a direct result of Baba's Walled Garden. Since they couldn't bring in new talent, or at least hard to be extremely guarded about it, it forced the main eventers of AJPW to go over and beyond to keep eyes on their product even if it meant everyone involved was taking career shortening bumps. Noah is looking after Big K right now, but that is only because he has so much CTE that he is basically retarded. It is hard to explain this to coming who can't understand Japanese, but Kenta Kobashi literally sounds like he is mentally retarded when speaking in the only language he has known since birth. That is entirely because of the bumps he had to take in the 90s to keep AJPW relevant.

There is a reason no one works the King's Road any more and it is unironically a good think for everyone in the industry.

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>>5449
Incredibly based. What is Onita doing these days?

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>>5560
Still carnying the ever loving raisin out of people. A few years back Onita finally managed to come to America and face Matt Tremont in one of his signature exploding barbwire deathmatch and I was there to see it. If you don't know Matt Tremont was a fairly successful deathmatch raisinter had retired in his early 30s but had managed to do what almost no death match wrestler has done by not being retarded and saving his money. Tremont had managed to buy a house, and set up a wrestling school in a warehouse with the money he saved and was able to make a comfortable living for his family by teaching retards how to work. Well wouldn't you know it but Elder God Carny Onita managed to catch wind of this and worked his magic. Onita had his people get in contact with Tremont and convinced him come out of retirement and have the first real exploding ring the US has ever had because Tremont was always a mark for FMW and that is what got him into deathmatch wrestling. This included offered Onita tens of thousands of dollars for his appearance, and agreeing to pay for his "explosives experts" to fly to America and set up the ring for the match for several tens of thousands of dollars more. Tremont ended up covering every single possible expense Onita could ever have and paid for it out of pocket. Tremont brought in like 30 of your outlaw friends to work on the big show and further run up the bill. The big day finally comes, the gate is way lighter than expected, like it was at a baseball stadium and the crowd was less than 500 people. Well the match finally happens and, of course, 70 year old Onita didn't want to take a bump so the entire match is him just beating Tremont with a baseball bat, gigging him with barbwire, and setting him on fire. Tremont ended up covered in 2nd degree burns and spending over a week in hospital. While he is in the hospital Onita shows up bill in hand. Tremont says that he doesn't have the cash on hand so Onita tells him he understands and they make an agreement to have Tremont pay Onita over time. Onita flies back to Japan from New Jersey taking the entire gate from the show as a "good faith gesture" and left Tremont in such crippling debt that four years later he still owe Onita money for the privilege of nearly getting burned to death, not to mention the hospital bills, the booking fees for all Tremont's friends, the cost of booking the baseball stadium, and the cost of the explosives guys being flown in from Japan. Tremont ended up having to take out a mortgage his house so he could afford to pay Onita and had to go back to working deathmatches in order to pay back the mortgage.

Every now again Tremont makes a sob post online about wrestling losing its charm, but he have no choice but to do it cause Onita ain't gonna pay himself and Tremont is a fat fuck that cannot do anything else.

btw David Bixenspan was at that show too and I swear to God you could smell him before you see him even at an outside show. Bix literally smells like an open sewer and you can smell him from 20 feet away.

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>>5659
Lmfao the carny world of wrestling never ceases to amaze me. Did you take any photos or vids of the event?

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>>5659
Damn bro thats some wild raisin, I never really liked Tremont very much but thats some harsh carnying right there. Thats fucking awesome you got to be there to see it, was the rest of the card any good?

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>>5662
Nah it was dograisin lmao

>>5661
Yeah, but I was staggeringly drunk by the time the main event rolled around so all my footage is just me screaming profanities while my phone swings around focusing on anything but the match.

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>>5671
sounds like getting drunk was probably the best strategy for a show like that lol

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>>5672
You don't become a deathmatch smark for the work rate, you become one so you can heckle fat retards who destroy their bodies for a hotdog and a handshake

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>>5673
Cornette was right about deathmatch wrestling, it's just absolute garbage for people with no talent

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>>5717
Yeah, it is always funny watching some weekend warrior believe John Wayne Murdoch when he says
>Trust me bro
Right before the Canadian destroyer off the balcony, through the table, and into a wheelchair

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>>5720
There really are better deathmatch wrestlers out there than JWM. In fact, that guy is a perfect example of everything that is wrong with deathmatch wrestling. He can't work, he can't talk, he can't sell…all he can do is mutilate himself and talk like a fag. Watch some old school FMW, some FREEDOMS stuff, any of the first 10 CZW deathmatch tournaments, or maybe some of the old IWA-MS stuff if you want to know what good deathmatch wrestling looks like.

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>>5728
Yeah, but I watch JWM for the same reason I watch NASCAR. Not because it requires any talent or skill, but because I can get raisin faced drunk and there is a good chance a raisinter is going to shoot cripple or kill someone.

As Wacky as Matsunaga was in W*NG, as entertaining as Jun Kasai is, as SOVLFVL as Megumi Kudo could was, at the end of the day the best part about deathmatches is when you think there is a good chance someone can actually die.

Speaking of the ToD, Jun Kasai said that Wifebeater was the only deathmatch wrestler he thought was genuinely insane and could try to kill someone if he got worked into a shoot.

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>>5762
I believe it, wifebeater really seemed legit insane. I mean, you almost have to be a little crazy to choose a name like that lol. If I were going to be a deathmatch wrestler I would want to learn from Kasai, he's probably the best right now.

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>>5765
According to Kasai the name wasn't a gimmick, it was a way of life. Jun slept on Wifebeater's couch when he was working CZW, and in his interview for ShuPro Director: 15 Year Chronicles he talks about waking up to Wifebeater smoking meth while standing over him and staring at him in the middle of the night, and how Wifebeater would beat his wife so hard that she wouldn't be able to leave their bedroom for days at a time.

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>>5766
Based, we need more crazy motherfuckers like that in wrestling. Let's face it, nobody watches rasslin to see normal people lol. We WANT the weirdos and freaks!

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>>5766
Where does one go to watch FREEDOMS? I want to see more of the crazy monkey.

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>>6277
Bili bili is usually the place to find Japanese shows. For older stuff you can check the internet archive, random torrent trackers. If all else fails you can talk to people on forums and they are usually down for trading. If you are particularly interested in deathmatch stuff Bret from BahuFMW and Steve from indie wrestling INTL have a lot of more obscure stuff like W*NG and Apache Pro.

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>>6293
Thanks, I was always a fan of Kasai when he was in CZW, was curious to see a little more of his deathmatch work in Japan.

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So whats going on in the world of puroresu tonight?

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>>6328
Couldn't tell you in regards to men's puroresu, I've been focusing on joshi stuff as of late

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>>6328
Hayabusa 2 just debuted. His first match he opened with the exact same sequence the original Hayabusa used when he faced Liger in the opening match of the first Super J-Cup.

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>>6724
absolute dimes, what company is he working for?



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