/sci/ - Soyence and Technology

>>25391
I forgot to add, aside from nostalgia, how are you
>SAVING THE PLANET!!!
When you're using objectively inefficient hardware?

its easier to store cp

>>25391
>and are a paint to work with
fail. opinion discarded.

>drop an old t420 or x220, it's fine, I can just get another and swap the drive
>drop an A2485 1tb max CPU sku or P16 quadro 8gb vram or maxxed out XPS, want to kill somebody because that's an over 2500 dollar computer new to replace and it's a fucking pain in the ass to get parts for because they're all being used on new production
I use old shit because I want to keep my new shit powered off and resting on my desk or some shelf until I actually want/need something of such value, instead of putting retarded high unnecessary wear on something just to shitpost on the sharty using dwm on Xorg anyways, thus I just grab an old C2D and don't feel as bad if I irradiate it in beta particles or throw it in an ocean or however the unnecessarily overpowered hardware is purchased

and no I'm not gonna utilize fucking budget crapware, I want a good typing experience and chassis design, I just don't need tsmc 20 picometer kill yourself processor normally as well

>>25409
any particular reason for using a core 2 duo specifically?

>>25422
they're so everywhere they're the Ur-Example for retro hardware that's still got use as a burner device, because Moore's law is fucking dead these days to the point anything post-nelahem is just… A computer, not necessarily oldware.
Sandy Bridge too, though Sandy Bridge - Haswell is getting into the actually seen in the wild and not considered old territory, I have a haswell box that some may consider old (It kinda is, 10 years of service) but it feels like a current era computer, even when running total bloateralds like windows 10/11… Because, again, moore's law is kinda fucking dead for most usecases, you're getting the same experience whether you're on a Haswell or an Alder Lake cause they're both absolutely high-end platforms relative to what we've dealt with in the 2000s. But C2Ds are a level of old where you do definitely feel it's of a past era, they come online with a true BIOS and not just some CSM or EFI executable firmware like modern machines (and so does my decade old Haswell box btw, with codesigning in boot and all) do, thus I think of them as oldware that I wouldn't care too much if they got destroyed

>>25426
you meant pre-Nehalem, correct?

>>25435
I'd consider Nalehem transitional, I meant 2xxx and above. Ryzen still feels like the new one even though it's been around since 2016 so I mean I might just be a boomer

>>25450
Ancient = Pre Prescott (Pentium III, etc.)
Vintage = Pre Nalehem (Core, Core 2, P4)
Old = Does not support DDR4
Modern = Supports DDR4

>>25461
a lot of what's useful depends on the SKU not the age, of course a high end DDR5 is gonna destroy a high end sandy bridge but a low end celery might get fucked up in actual usage by a high end haswell

>>25409
You could at least use something newer

>>25409
driving a fast car slow is better for the engine than driving a slow car fast. keeping electronic equipment powered off all the time is also harmful in itself.
for a server with a constantly low workload consider getting a used last generation laptop or arm soc. the power savings will amortize any purchase in no time.

>>25391
>entirely useless
the thing is that the people who used those computers actually knew how computers work, a computer with the power of a gameboy brought men on the moon, meanwhile windows 11 can't even remap buttons without clicking on 50 rounded rectangles
old computers had excellent I/O, meanwhile your shitty fagbook doesn't even have VGA let alone a serial port or anything actually useful.
>objectively inefficient
i dunno but my thinkpad doesn't have a giant heatsink and a 666 core CPU full of backdoors that eat additional power, while a shitty bloated operating system eats even more
GNU/Linux powers almost the whole internet (96.3% of the top 1 million servers), and most of the rest is other UNIX like operating systems
the reason for this is that UNIX is very flexible, easy to get work done with, and its generally just very versatile and efficient, especially compared to whatever bullshit you are running right now (probably just a giant blaoted hacked together patch for MS DOS)
>saving the planet
the power required to make new hardware is far greater than the power actually consumed by older hardware
>paint to work with
this is why i don't use modern hardware, because your shitty chiclet keyboards are impossible to type on fast, especially without getting fucking cramps in your wrists from how uncomfortable they are.

>>25486
Low IQ UNIXtard bait. You will never be a programmer or a woman for that matter

>>25472
And have to pay meme bucks to replace it when I inevitably fuck it up by using it in the woods and drop it on a rock? How about no. Also I'm not going through the effort to replace some of the stuff I have when it still works just fine and I can drop dollars on what does need replacement, like with the Haswell/Skylake stuff I have that still tears into most everything I do besides local generative AI and computational stuff like blender or fuck your shit up statistical models
>>25485
The idea is the cost of replacement is peanuts, not that I want it to last as long as possible. Yes, it will last less time than a high end proper workstation. But they're both as easy to fucking break as each other, and I don't feel as bad mistreating a shitbox than something with the performance of a department of defense supercomputer. For a server I just use whatever I'm not dailying at the moment, which is probably just some skylake thing cause I'm in texas and don't give a shit about electricity costs when a 2500sqft single family home is less than 100 bucks a month without AirCon and they use like 20 watts anyways which is as much as I've seen my high end laptop use at the wall when not charging and just playing a video
And keeping a device in low power is far better for it than taking it literally everywhere I go, especially with my habits, and I do need to spool it up somewhat often because I do engage in heavily computational tasks that need ridiculous performance, and sometimes I will just chill out on something with an IPC of 'yes' and a transistor count of 60 billion. That's when I'm not in a forest.
>>25486
OSX is a Unix albeit

>>25391
I dont understand why you are complaining about "ancient" systems
After all, isn't your entire political ideology about reTROONing to tradition?

>>25391
linuxfag cope