>>18576I'm tired of this debate so I will try to wrap my thoughts into a big chunk while responding to your arguments. Depending on your future reply, I will either reply back or ignore, because I just don't want to repeat myself.
>once again, you get stuck on the question of "should it" not on the question of "is it". If it is sharty culture then no amount of "should" will make it no longer sharty culture, many teens are already invested in it.Yeah, because the latter one is not that important(even if it's the main question). Like I said in my previous blogpost, being a "sharty culture" is a status quo, not a judgement of quality. What do I mean by this? whenever someone would insult a shitzellig, one of the most typical answers would be "zellig is sharty culture". But, how does being "sharty culture" even matter? Like the example I gave, one could force averi so much that a bunch of autists could start posting it and /qa/ could become an averi board. In this case, wouldn't that make it party kultur? It is liked by many 'teens, it has big influence on a board and it's posted constantly(hypothetically ofc), which would make it party kultur easily. But you can guess that the log would be filled to the brim with all the furry shit. But it doesn't matter, because it could still count as sharty culture.
Even if you don't like this example, you can still agree that being "sharty culture" doesn't indicate if it's coal or gem. Then, what does the "sharty culture" label even add? It's not like gem or coal where we judge the quality, it's just the label of status quo!
And for that reason, I believe the discussion of zellig being sharty culture should shift to "should it STAY as a sharty culture?". We shouldn't be talking about the PRESENT, we should talk about it's FUTUTE. Talk about whether we should keep it on /qa/, this site and what should we do with forced NAS on /qa/ in the future.
(And I want to say we do NOT need mods to interfere with the culture. We can do it ourselves by deleting anything related to zellig from our folders and replying to 'ligtrannies with troonjaks made for them to show our disinterest. So my requests don't require mod intervention for innocent and subjective stuff.)
And about that "many teens are interested in" part: everyone could stop posting 'lig and it would stop being "sharty culture". No need for mental gymnastics, simple as that. Not present on the site and the userbase, not culture anymore. One of the biggest examples is possibly "rika". The cuban(or moroccan,or whoever) was trying to force the when they cry girl with "twp chudcel" threads. Guess what? People started making twp/BBC edits with rika and other when they cry characters. Lemonjak beating plier video is a great example of the joke. But guess what? That joke's nearly dead now. No one really posts rika other than cuban stealing gets and some chudjaks from here and there. All the bbc twp edits/jokes are left in the past, traces are left in the 'ru. It died off.
I'm using the frequency of posts and jokes as one of the determining factors because every argument for 'lig being sharty culture here I've seen have about how they produced edits and gems, and searching zellig always ends up pointing to us. All of these defining points are related to having a big presence on the site. So by removing the presence and decreasing the amount of posters(not that we should do it forcefully), we could basically kill off 'lig or at least turn it into a forgotten but archived old dust. Simple as that. But still, I don't think we need to remove them entirely. I will explain what I believe we should do later.
>Are you incapable of comprehending the concept of posting a funny image that isnt supposed to depict yourself or your opposition? or are you planning on being the fun police? It was a nitpick. I find 'ligs calling themselves 'teens while using rotten jokes only used by offsiters like 'cord, 'witter and 'ru(ues) as hypocritical. It's not funny too, it's self insert AND larp coal.
>Also saying zelligers should stop calling antizelligers newGODs, while saying all zelligers are newGODs, both assertions being unsubstantiated.'liggers calling every anti-zellig newGOD is obviously an insult. They are trying to mean "What do you even know newGOD? You wouldn't insult us if you were old enough to know lig is party culture!", and let's not pretend like it doesn't. An old muh kway oldtroon could still dislike it and a 'ligtroon would call him a "newGOD" anyway. I'm saying lots of them are newGODs just to point out their hypocripsy or at least unhealthy practices, not just insult them.
>these comparisons really dont prove what you think they do.I expressed myself badly there. When I gave that example, I tried to point out how it's widely accepted that 'lig was forced by just one guy in the beginning. So for that reason, the amount of 'lig posts on old /qa/ are lower compared to already defined big cultures spreading to /qa/ like frogs and tranime. And while mlp is big too, they technically forced it because they breached out of their board and tried to invade /qa/, compared to anime and frogs being everywhere on the site.
I don't think you would deny that 'lig was forced by one guy and it didn't become a part of our culture naturally because it only makes sense in this regard lol.
>Again you express your dismay with zelligers effect on QA and sharty in general (indirectly proving it is both prevalent and influential) but this in itself has to be looked at with more nuance. Ignoring the fact that frogs, gore, cado, bait and others could be even more harshly criticized, especially considering they much more often appear/leak onto /soy/, zellig subcommunity is still relatively inoffensive to the sharty.Do you even remember the times when 'lig would breach? You would tell them to fuck off, they would immediately start calling you newGOD, tranny and they would mention they are "MUH KWAY KULTUUUR". They would randomly post zelligs in the middle of the threads. They would create threads on /soy/ where they posted 'lig like it's /qa/. They also tried to steal GETs(which is not offensive but shows how they were trying hard to reach to /soy/.) They were even more common and hostile than frogs months ago. They were offensive, you literally can't say they weren't if you were there.
>Unless you believe the entire website should be strict IAS your arguments about it being NAS and "not fitting with the site" fall flat on their face.I don't, but it doesn't have to be a 4chan esque "THIS WAIFU MATERIAL IS SO BASED AND FUNNY LET'S MAKE IT OUR WHOLE PERSONALITY AROUND THE SITE AND MAKE BASED NAZI EDITS" type tranny nonsense.
>Is /qa/ a dead board because of catty wars and necrobumping, or is /qa/ full of cattywars and necrobumping because it was a dead board and these activities filled in the vacuum?/qa/ always had forced material but it was never THIS BAD where the entire log is forced autist obsession. And you know what? I WILL show proof that /qa/ was kinda useful and more natural back in the day! Let's use wayback machine.
I will skip to 2022 era, because the influence of /qa/ was still higher than being a standalone splinter site.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220325083001/https://soyjak.party/qa/catalog.htmlWhen you look at the catalog, what do you see? I notice several things:
-Regular NAS and discussion threads are very common.
-There are people blogposting normally.
-Tosses are actually posted here.
-Some actual soy threads are here.
-Stuff like 'cado, MLP and especially 'zellig can be seen but not as much as regular threads.
Do you see how the old /qa/ isn't as bad, and it's actually gemmy and more useable? Yes there are forced NAS, but they pretty much fit. They aren't that frequent so they don't really harm the board, and you can seriously post here without having to through insane amounts of forced shit compared to today. And even frogs are not hostile. It was like a great "random" board (which I want /qa/ to be shaped into). Okay, lets go a bit further:
https://web.archive.org/web/20221204021603/https://soyjak.party/qa/catalog.htmlSimilar to the previous 'log, but the concentration of forced NAS like froge and 'lig is increasing. 'lig threads have more replies than ever before and it's influence is increasing. And if you scroll doen, you would see that so much 'lig threads are left under. Because of these two, the normal random usage of /qa/ is becoming harder with more shit threads multiplying and going higher. Now, let's check the worst era for /qa/:
https://web.archive.org/web/20220325083001/https://soyjak.party/qa/catalog.htmlThis was possibly one of the worst eras of /qa/. The comfy random NAS and blogpost threads are gone, the 'log is filled with forced brimstones. Zellig is basically everywhere and half of the threads are made of "bumozellig bumo, upzellig" and some random art. They didn't even try to be original, half of the threads were the same. On the other side, there are now other NAS forcers who give their everything to stay on 'log as much as possible(most notably 'cchi) rest of the threads are basically non-existent. It was all forced shit. 'lig is pretty much the main force in this, because they have gotten out of their 2-3 threads and decided to do force their material on the entire 'log. This has gotten so bad, so big that others tried to do the same and actually tried to combat with 'lig threads. There were %100 'cchi posters who decided to post tranime only to go against 'lig. 'ligniggers took the "forcing" aspect too far and conquered an entire board. This was also the same era when 'ligs started breaching to /soy/ and used all the "muh kway kultur" arguments I listed. This practically sank the reputation of zellig to the lowest.
Nowadays, /qa/ is just a force contamination board. 'ligniggers have done a near irreversible damage to the board and they are still persistent on necrobumping and creating nothingburger 0 reply threads just to make the 'log look green. This is why I find "qa was always like this!!" Arguments to be bullshit. At least we had blogposts and discussion threads, now they are near non existent because of these fuckers. We have witnessed what happens when a waifufag material with no content left to milk extends to an entire board. They still keep their old behavior intact, and this is just pathetic to see.
I think furfags are doing a good approach on /qa/ right now. They only have 2-3 threads they post on, and they don't create unnecessary threads with no discussion going around. They sometimes post their art on other threads, but it's rare.(I do not count averi because it's a single avatartranny rather than the furry community as a whiole). On the contrary; all bronies, frogniggers and 'zelligtrannies are shitting up the thread with their shity 2 reply threads leaving no room for regular NAS discussion threads. I am sorry, but 'lig deserves to be limited as much as furniggers limit themselves. They do NOT deserve to have this much of a size on /qa/.
>Many 'teens are zelligers and fond of the show and (You) have failed to actually provide any evidence of significant harm being done by zelligers, and the complaints you do have are easily rectifiable. It would be unreasonable to take any drastic action against an inoffensive, non-hostile subcommunity that as we came to an agreement earlier, is in fact, Sharty culture.I did this time. Happy? Even those which I did not provide any proof of, can be verified by the oldGODs and newGODs of early 2023. It WOULD BE reasonable to take action against a forced culture like that, because the main way to fix /qa/ and end the utter chaos of /qa/ once and for all is by punishing the guilty side with the punishment they deserve, which is limiting their activity to a limited number of threads(There could ne better solutions). And for a sharty culture, they sure ruined an entire board. Which is why being "sharty culture" by itself isn't a good argument for why said culture is good: One can be part of this site and both be kind of harmful to it in a way.
To summarize my thoughts:
-Being sharty culture does NOT make you worthy of that title. If your culture is harming boards, threads and annoying other people constantly; I'm sorry but your culture is shit and it should be contamined or banned entirely.
-zelligtrannies WERE hostile. They would respond to any criticism or generic insult with "kys newtranny lig is kway culture", and do anything imaginable to make thenselves look good(like with their "anti porn message" obsession.
-NOT always a force-only board. There were geniune NAS posts, blogs and discussions with minimal amount of forced shit that can be ignored easily.
-zelligniggers DID ruin qa at some point. They took over the place of every discussion/blog threads with their shitty 5 reply lame threads and caused a huge wave of avatartrannies to force their retarted shit on the 'log.(Froggie is also guilty of this, but I'm talking about 'zellig and they were the ones who succeeded and influenced the most.)
-To repair all the damage they caused, 'lig posts and other forced shit should at least be contamined to 1 or 2 threads on /qa/, and that /qa/ should turn it into a great comfy random board again.
-'lig IS a creatively bankrupt culture that doesn't really fit to this site's culture. We do not need to be like 4cucks and obsess over some moeshit waifu generator.
'zellig is the coal that killed /qa/, and the damage it left behind should be adressed immediately. Make /qa/ great again.